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SEMI - FINAL #1
Norman Bates (Psycho) http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...Psycho_313.jpg vs. Angel Eyes aka Il Cattivo (The Good, The Bad and The Ugly) http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...-van-cleef.jpg First to 10 wins. |
Il Cattivo.
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Angel Eyes.
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Lee Van Cleef
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Angel Eyes.
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Norman Bates.
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Angel Eyes aka Il Cattivo (The Good, The Bad and The Ugly)
Norman was just.........misunderstood |
Angel Eyes
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Angel Eyes
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Angel Eyes
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Angel Eyes.
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Angel Eyes for me as well.
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Angel Eyes
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I'm surprised this is so one-sided. I mean, Angel Eyes is a pretty badass villian , but Norman Bates is the psycho to end all psychos.
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Angel Eyes scores a huge and whopping 11-1 win over Norman Bates to blast his way into the Final!
The other S-F up next... |
SEMI - FINAL #2
Erik (The Phantom of the Opera) http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...9662179898.jpg vs. The Joker (The Dark Knight) http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...er/Joker-7.jpg First to 10 wins. |
Jesus-fucking-Christ on a cracker.....
I have to stick to my guns and go with The Joker...Erik was just evil because of his shitty situation - Joker's evil for the sheer fun of it. And, IMO, that's both scarier and more entertaining to watch. Sorry Lon... |
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I agree with Return.
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The Joker. He is evil just because there is evil to be had. I don't even know if he considers it fun; he is just bad for the sake of bad.
Most villains have a reason. Whether they were abused as a child, some kind of gain or vengeance. Even most religious villains have valid reasons. The Joker needs no reason. As far as we know, he is what he is for no other good reason than he knows nothing else. He wasn't raised or even born that way; he doesn't do what he does because that's all that's inside him, or he hasn't been taught another way. He is chaos incarnate. There is no other way for him to be. You can't change a rock into an orange. The Joker is evil because he is evil. There is no other way for him to be, nor has there ever been. Heaths award winning performance aside, the character itself embodies the epitome of what bad is. He's not the biggest bastard in the world, like Tim Roth's character in Rob Roy. He's not a completely vile killer like Henry. He's just evil in every single aspect of the word with no excuse and no redeeming qualities. |
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With Erik, he is a pure tragic figure. He did not choose his fate; his fate was written upon him on birth and he spent an entire life of dejection, finding solitude within the old Opera House. While the Joker has the choice to live amongst the citizens of Gotham, he chooses not to; for Erik, he is a pure outcast, reaching into the depths of his black soul for any way that he can possibly overpower his foes - through haunting, through extortion - so much more subtle than our Joker friend; no need for pomp and pizazz in his evil doings. He is a Villainous Icon though the annuls of cinema and literary history... Portrayed by thespian icons from Lon Chaney to Claude Rains - The Joker is just a fad - a passing phase bolstered by the single surprising performance of a young up-and-coming Aussie (God rest his soul)... But Erik - The Phantom is eternal. |
Erik.........
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....The Joker
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The Joker.
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Erik......
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The Joker!!
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The Joker.
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The Joker. I haven't watched The Phantom of the Opera.
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Not to belittle The Joker at all - He's one my absolute favorite comic book villains and he is iconic within the annuls of comic book and comic book adaptation culture. I just think that Ledger's performance gives the Joker character a significant advantage over Erik... So a counter argument had to be made. That or I just like being argumentative. :D |
Oooooh, Interesting. While I certainly agree the strength of Ledger's performance may lend him an unfair advantage, and also that I love the phantom very much, I think I have to stress against him above the Joker, certainly in terms of a greater "villian".
Phantom is a wonderful character and carries his tale more or less as both the Hero and Villian, we suffer for him as much as we fear him. Christine's rejection of him is as much understood as resented, that in some ways makes him a stronger character then the Joker but not a stronger villian. The Joker is incomprehensible, it his multiple incarnations such as Ledger's performance and the almost as Iconic Mark Hammil voiced animated Joker. Don't be fooled the Joker in his more modern comic book forms if far more frightening then any of those. They all lend a sort of cuteness to his vicous madness, something that the real Joker would probably find them, and hang them on a noose out the front of their parents house before blowing it up. He is mad, but he is vicous and unpredictable to a fault, people have allied themselves with him knowing full well he was not to be trusted and still walk away horrified at the lengths he'd go for his own sick amusement. The Joker has none of the fluffy charms of his film and animated conterparts, well perhaps a little but they are so far muddle in his extreme sadism and vicousness that you simply can't relate or emphasise with him at all, ever not in your wildest dreams. If you thought you could trust me, in all these years he would have found away to disturb you so much that you wouldn't dare. Of course this is Movie Villians, which means we have Nicholsons Jokes, and Ledger's both wonderful characters vs Claude Raines and Gerard Butler's Phantoms, the latter who is projected much more heriocially. Raines was good, but I don't think either of them much Jack or Heath's Joker. Joker for me. |
I'm usually the first Joker detractor (I like the character just fine and love both Jack's and Heath's performances in recent films but I just think he's far from the best villain of all time) but Erik was too sympathetic a figure in my eyes. My vote goes to the laughing man.
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The Joker scores a huge and comprehensive 11-3 win over Erik The Phantom to blast his way into the Finals!!
...which comes next... |
THE FINAL Coming into the Final by beating...
Ladies and Gentlemen... The first Finalist, THE JOKER (The Dark Knight) http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...er/Joker-7.jpg vs. Coming into the Final by beating...
Ladies and Gentlemen... The Second Finalist, ANGEL EYES aka IL CATTIVO (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly) http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...-van-cleef.jpg The voting begins NOW, and is open for the next 48 Hours. The leader then will be the winner of the tournament and crowned THE GREATEST MOVIE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME!! |
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:confused: Fuck it!!!! The Joker
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Irony is a funny thing, to think I expressed the strength of Joker's case given the people he defeated. I'd definetely argue that he didn't deserve to get this far against some of the competition he has foiled... alas... at least I get to vote for the final!
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The Joker.
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Angel Eyes would definitely give the Joker a run for his money... And probably shoot 'em dead.
Angel Eyes. |
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