You can back any number of films you want. There is NO restriction on the number of backings. I haven't mentioned anywhere that you can back two films ONLY.

We are going to SELECT two films, and then move to the Honorable Mentions.

Right now we are in the process of agreeing (unanimously or majority-wise) for The Raven and The Last Man on Earth, which have the most backings, for the final two spots of the top 22.

You can support that, or you can post your own chosen films to contest those two above.

That's why in order to avoid confusion, and not to pile everything up at the same time, I haven't moved to the Honorable Mentions YET. Members keep jumping the gun even before it's fired, and that's what is causing all the confusion.

I repeat, right now we are in the process of selecting TWO films to join the selected TWENTY for the TOP 22 for the 1960s. I haven't opened the debate/discussion for the Honorable Mentions yet.

Do you stand by those choices in your post above?

Okay, I think I understand. I am fine with those two choices, but I will keep my backings. That is okay? To back films and okay the selected choices.

Sure.

So, you support the 2 choices for the final 22, and put forth your chosen films for Honorable Mentions?

Yes.............

Okay.

Final call for the two films, The Last Man on Earth and The Raven, which have the most backings to be included in the top 22. I have received FOUR "Aye"s so far, and since we have at least 10 members involved in the process, I will need at least 2-3 more "Aye"s to push them into the final 22.

Then we can start short-listing our Honorable Mentions.

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All in agreement?

Does anyone disagree & have their own choices to contest those 2 films above?

Agree..........

No need to be sorry, I do the same thing, actually :cool:

For the Final 22, I'd also like to back The Brides of Dracula, which I've always considered the best Hammer film.

We haven't heard from quite a few folk. I think UK film Day of the Triffids is a better film, I still hope for more input/votes.

Aye...Ok to move on.

We now have FOUR films in the fray for the final 2 Top spots - The Brides of Dracula, The Last Man on Earth, The Little Shop of Horrors and The Raven.

We can select only TWO out of the FOUR films with backings, for our final 22. The Raven and The Last Man on Earth now see competition for their spots, although they have FIVE "Aye"s in their favor till now.

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Do I see anyone else strongly supporting any TWO out of the FOUR films above? Although, one more "Aye" in favor of our original TWO (Raven & Last Man on Earth) will seal their places.

I'll back The Brides of Dracula and The Last Man on Earth

Looks like we are back to TWO films in majority again - The Brides of Dracula replacing the The Raven, while The Last Man on Earth still occupies the other finalist's spot.

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Agreements/objections?

Out of those 4 I'd say Little Shop and The Last Man on Earth

Bleh... I just want to say this process makes no sense to me whatsoever. People backing 3-4-5-6 titles for two spots. Things seesaw back and forth endlessly. Pick the two films you really want to see in those spots and be done with it.

This is why movies that aren't as well known don't have a prayer of making the cut....

Okay, the common film which is pretty much unanimously favored is The Last Man on Earth, so I move it to be our 21st finalised film for the 60s.

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Let's have a good, old-fashioned shootout between the rest for that final 22nd spot - the winner of the majority of backings/supporters takes it.

This is a shootout between :-

The Brides of Dracula,
Onibaba,
The Little Shop of Horrors,
The Raven,
Invasion of the Triffids, and
Mr. Sardonicus.


CHOOSE ONE OUT OF THE ABOVE. Put your personal feelings aside for a moment and decide, neutrally, that which film, out of those SIX, is a cut above the rest and should be in.

Out of those choices, I would choose Little Shops of Horror. Those are some really excellent choices, but that film is the best choice (out of those), in my opinion.

The Brides of Dracula

Little Shop of Horrors gets my vote.

Putting personal feelings aside, I have to back Invasion of the Triffids - as much as I love the two comedies, the triffids are legendary and it would be odd to have a "best of" list without them.

I decidedly agree - Invasion of the Triffids (Day of the Triffids) is a really good important famous film, a favorite of a few people I know, a good representative of British film, and appropriately deserving of inclusion of the Best of 1960 Horror list.

Oh, c'mon now... We're already into the 1960's. We're thoroughly enjoying Z's thread and the process. What's the point in rushing through it? Besides, it doesn't escape notice that you don't mind making extra posts and appeals when your pushing films you appreciate... 'follow the rules', 'rules don't make sense', 'slow down', 'hurry up'... wouldn't have it any other way! :)

It's V, not Z. Are you the same one who did that before? Is your keyboard different from mine? I know they're close but it's not like they're right next to each other. :rolleyes:

Garrr!!! Why do I keep doing that!? LOL! Sorry, V! It is a keyboard thing. I know "V" comes from the film V for Vendetta, a great film I own. Oh, well, you know what I mean. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images.../crazyeyes.gif

It's a comic too :cool:

None of what you said deals in any way with what I said. I didn't say people were posting too much, or too often. I said it makes no sense to back more than two films when we're trying to decide on two spots. I have never done so. I don't care how many "appeals" people make- just that they should make sense within the context of the task at hand.

And why are you stirring up this issue at this piont anyway? V has asked us to pick ONE FILM FROM A LIST OF SIX. Any rehashing of past issues serves no useful purpose.

I vote for whichever one is winning. We have seven pages of posts in our attempt to select two films. Can we move on to the honorable mentions sometime this week? :)

Not that I'm complaining. What the hell else are we gonna do.

Ibelieve, at the moment there is a tie.

2 members who already backed Little Shop of Horrors have chosen it from the SIX,

2 members who already backed Invasion of the Triffids have chosen that from the SIX (one is for Honorable Mentions),

...yes, it is a tie between them, but in terms of overall votes/backings, Little Shop is ahead (6 against 4).

And even with only 1 vote (by hammerfan), Brides of Dracula is ahead at 8 supporters.

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But, in the interest of fairness, and to get more clarification from Giganticface regarding his vote, I am keeping this open for 12 more hours. That will be the final stretch, and if the tie gets broken by then, well and good.

If not, we will seal Brides of Dracula as our 22nd film and move to the Honorable Mentions.

I'm afraid I'm quite confused by how these totals are calculated.

Does each vote count for two?

I'm cool with that decision, V. Brides of Dracula got four original votes and four backings, which is a pretty strong showing. If it makes any difference I'm willing to blind back that movie.

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As we transition to the Honorable Mentions, I'd like to share my thoughts about the top 22. Undeniably, it's a great list. I haven't seen about a third of them, and I know I should, but it's clearly a quality list. However, I like to think of this project as a reflection of the history of horror, and not just the "best" movies of the decade, so here are my observations, which hopefully might be reflected in the Honorable Mentions.

1. We have 5 (or is it 6?) films starring Vincent Price. I know he's a master of his craft, and a true horror icon, but some variety would be nice. We almost had another make the list (The Raven), which I haven't seen, and I'm sure it's great, but how about spreading the wealth a bit?

2. The Sixties was the decade that pop culture and entertainment turned on its head. Mid-decade marked a change in the tide, where it became okay for a hero to be flawed, even an anti-hero, and pop culture in general became much more jaded. I'm glad our list doesn't go overboard representing this, but personally I think it's a little thin. Spider Baby, Witchfinder General, and (I haven't seen, but assume) The Cremator and Repulsion are good examples, and also the well-documented example, NotLD. You could make a case for Rosemary's Baby, however, besides those, I think we're over-representing the early Sixties and a classic style that was getting phased out. We should take the opportunity to reflect this important transition in history.

3. Italian horror and giallo was a hugely influential movement that left us with some of our all-time favorite horror films, and it started here. Mario Bava provided the template of what would evolve over the next 20 years. Personally, I would choose Black Sabbath as a foreshadowing of the upcoming style, but if you don't think an anthology should be on the list then perhaps Kill Baby Kill. If you guys think Black Sunday (which I haven't seen), or a different film is a better choice, I'm totally on board. Unless I'm overlooking something, I'm actually flabbergasted that not a single Bava film got a vote.

4. For all practical purposes, splatter was born in the Sixties. I don't care if it's Blood Feast or Two Thousand Maniacs! but we should give Herschell Gordon Lewis his due. I forget if Gore Gore Girls or Bloodsucking Freaks made the 70s list, but I'd be surprised, and they probably shouldn't. I'd vote for Blood Feast because it's the first.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I didn't submit a list for the 60s the first time around because I didn't think I was was well-enough versed, and overall for the decade I still feel that way. But I do think we could round out our list a bit with the Honorable Mentions.

So if you initially back a film, you can back it again, effectively backing it twice? Or three times, depending on how many times we take a vote?

Well, Brides of Dracula got four original votes, then four backings during the debate (which could be the same four that originally voted for it).

Yes, I can read the list fine.


This is why I don't think people should be able to back more than two films when we were trying to fill two spots.

No, you can't. We are taking only the votes + backings into contention here.

The original 4 votes for Brides of Dracula came from Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan.

The votes this time around by members who have already backed their films won't count, hence my first two lines in my earlier post.

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Giganticface's backing of Brides of Dracula takes it's number of supporters to 9. Unless there's a turnaround in the next 5 hours, it looks like it will seal the 22nd place.

Forgive me for nitpicking this point, but I can't find these 5 extra votes for Brides of Dracula, and I've gone all the way back to the posting of the 60s in the cut post.

V, you say:

Since then, the only votes for Brides of Dracula that I see are hammerfan (post 851 and again at post 858) - but you say you can't count that since she was one of the original backers.

Then there was sculpt - but again, he was one of the original backers, so can't be counted.

So, the only additional votes I see for this title are by realdealblues and giganticface.

That would leave Brides of Dracula with 6, not 9 votes.

I beg your indulgence V, for my attempt at counting on my own. I clearly am not very good at it.

When we originally started on the 60s for the very first time (all the way some 3-4 months back), people were asked to send their 20 choices for the 60s from the films listed in the main Master List of all films released between 1960 and 1969.

I received 10 lists for the 60s, each with 20 choices, from members - The Villain, fortunato, Sculpt, neverending, metternich1815, Straker, roshiq, Kandarian Demon, realdealblues & hammerfan.

Out of those, 4 members listed The Brides of Dracula in their top 20 choices - Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan. Hence, The Brides of Dracula received 4 votes.

Subsequently, in our two rounds of debating for the final choices for the 60s - first round for 20 films, second round now for 2 more films & 6 Honorable Mentions - we have had members supporting the film, and accordingly listed as backings/second backings.

Those were from The Villain, realdealblues, Sculpt and hammerfan again.

Hammerfan's & Sculpt's backing for Brides of Dracula during our second debate for the final 2 films for the 60s stay, since that was independent of the 20-film debating period. (all members are granted to back their listed films ONCE, same privilege is given for all members)

Hammerfan's second attempt at voting (one out of the SIX) for this round's SHOOTOUT won't be taken into account, since she has already voted for the film in her top 20 AND backed it during the subsequent debates.

Hence, Brides of Dracula has 9 supports behind it - 4 voters, 4 backers/second backers, and now Giganticface.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

Added the relevant quoted posts and edited a few parts of my post above to clarify it a bit more. Please go through it again.

12 hours have passed, and the situation has stayed the same.

So, by default, The Brides of Dracula seals the final spot for the top 22 of the 1960s.

The other FIVE films in the fray for that final spot now line up in the probables for the Honorable Mentions.

We need ONE more from the rest to stack up with them.

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Agreements/objections/other suggestions?