i have more chance of making it into their hall of fame. here's my tribute to benoit - you're a fucking piece of shit!:mad:

Its sad to say the least ..but the ppl who should be hanging thier heads in shame are the wrestling confederation and the fans.
He took steroids to perform and to keep his body all muscled toned and strong for his them.
This is whatr happens when thousands of ppl sit and cheer for an unkown guy becos hes deemed a good guy in the ring..
Well fuckit..!!he peformed like the circus clown u all made him out to be and he suffered..through depression..trying to keep up with the demand.
and who always ends up paying the price..
the wife and kids and the fallen hero himself.
So what do his many fans do ..??sit there and go tsk tsk tsk.

At least wait for the tox report... I wouldn't think "roid rage" would last over a whole weekend. It didn't seem like a rage, it seemed more calculated. Nowitski was trying to get them to check some tissues in his brain which could have been damaged due to the constant abuse he took, a similar condition caused an ex NFL player to commit suicide. Either way, I applaud and celebrate the wrestler while for the moment I have nothing but disdain for the man's actions. As for you Stubbs... so we should have no physical entertainment? Does that mean we should all stop watching sports, wrestling, UFC, and anything that demands that a person be in top physical shape? You blame the fans?? He wasn't a powerhouse or a brawler, he didn't NEED to be big to be the great technician that he was. What about actors? They get paid craploads of money and a lot of times fall victim to drugs, is that our fault? Is it the fans fault that Chris Farley, River Pheonix, or John Belushi died? What about Janis Joplin, Bradley Nowell... the list goes on and on. How about you blame yourself while the rest of us blame the man who KILLED HIS FAMILY. My opinoin is he was still a good man until the end. He did a lot for kids and a lot for chairty. His wife and him were probably arguing and he accidently killed her, didn't think he could handle a mentally retarded child by himself but didn't want his kid to grow up without parents so he killed his son and himself. If he hadn't killed himself he'd go through a long trial, get put in a posh prison for the rich, and probably get out early. Personally I hope Nowinski is right.



"Nowinski is trying to persuade the coroner to allow a brain exam to look for neurofibrillary tangles in the brain's cortex. This has been refused in the past; however Nowinski has previously been able to link the suicide of NFL defensive back Andre Waters to concussion induced depression based on forensic work done on Waters' brain matter. "Part of me hopes there was something wrong with his brain," Nowinski told the Times. "The Chris Benoit I knew was always more concerned about everybody else's well-being than his own.""

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From what the news has been saying he used a wrestling hold on his
7 year old son Daniel in his bedrom ( the crippler crossface and strangled
him), he was also mentally retarded and had been giving him some kind
of growth shots, there was needle marks on his arms. his wife's
hands and feet were tied together and she was strangled, she was in
the den or family room, and he hung himself on his weight set in the
basement. they said he killed his little boy on friday, his wife on saturday
and killed himself on sunday, they were found on monday. they said he
text messaged someone from the WWE but don't know who, and said
his family had gotten food poisoned, and his son was spitting up
blood, and the pets were inside and sick. so I don't get these people,
I just don't understand. I just wonder what some of his wrestling friends
(ric flair, arn anderson, dean malenko, edge, chavo guerro, some that he
was the closest to are thinking now). it's just horrible. so anything esle
going on.

There was something about Chris that would always creep me out.

I'd like to see the article that said he used the Crippler Crossface on his son. Fox News? lol That's a load of bull. He suffocated him is all i heard.

There are still people supporting this guy after what he did, blaming the fans and steroids and anything else. The fact is, he went f'ing crazy. No drug induced rage would last over two days, and since he killed his wife and son on seperate days I'd say they need to look deeper. I suppose he was probably depressed. Boo hoo, my poor $900 000 home.

The article said there were no bruises on his son's neck and he "may have used a chokehold". There's no evidence and they were NOT talking about the Crippler Crossface (the crossface if used as a real move would cause a lot of trauma to the neck and could dislocate an arm easily). The article also cites the fact that he visited his doctor just before the weekend and had been fighting with his wife about the care and education of their son. Just more speculation...

Since we're just throwing out random crap: Chavo did it for the push, taking out Eddie didn't work and if this doesn't Rey's next...

I don't think that's a very fair assessment at all. WWE issues random drug tests to it's wrestlers and none of the fans were telling him to put drugs in his body (If that turns out to be the case). The anabolic steroids found in the home were for his son, who had physical disabilities and needed growth hormones. Benoit passed a drug test issued by WWE in April of 07.

If he performed like a circus clown, it certainly wasn't any one of the fans that was making him do it. It was his own desire to entertain. How can the blame be turned to the employer (that issues drug tests) or the fans (that simply enjoy the show)? This dude murdered his wife & kid on his own. The fans and the WWE had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Very well said B.

too soon for jokes?
I'm kind of shocked I haven't heard any yet...and they're bound to be really unnerving.

I still stand by my theory of earlier. I bet Benoit and Eddie (best friends?) were into drugs, and that combined with the narcotic painkillers and steroids which these guys took...had some drastic effects on their brain cells.

In Eddie's case, he was dead by heart failure, you might argue. But before that he tended to stay depressed for long periods of time (according to his wife and brother). In Benoit's case, (a more stronger and heftier body than Eddie) it caused him to snap!

Of course the fights with his wife (if they happened), the mentally-retarded son...all of it added to his murdering moments. He wasnt doing that great in the ring recently also, so he might also be going through severe depression.

Interestingly, drug habits do tend to make people suicidal. We got plenty of examples there, most recent being Lindsay Lohan who's in rehab now. This must be the first time such stuff has resulted in cold-blooded, calculated murder, that too of one's own family.

I wont say anything in reply to what stubbs said above. Despare & bw covered all the points nicely for me.

Eddie was clean for a couple years before he died, but he had done SO many drugs when he was taking them that the toll on his body turned out to be irreversible.

Benoit bulked up a TON in years since WCW to where he was at last week. I would not be surprised 1 bit if he took steroids at some point in his career possibly right up until the end (although he passed the WWE drug test in April 07), but I heard a doctor and a criminologist on one of those news programs and they were both saying how this didn't seem like a case of 'roid rage' at all. They were in total agreement that the murder seemed far to planned out & calculated to have even been done in any kind of rage at all.

It will be VERY interesting to see what comes back in his toxicology reports.

He referenced the pets in the garage, just curious, did he kill them too?

Do any fits of *madness* make sense? By making the assumption that everything appeared calculated and pre-meditated doesnt necessarily mean that Benoit (if he did it?) callously pre-thought his actions.

We dont know what was going on in his head.

We dont know any of the facts at the moment - and may never know. Forensics and police will have to make informed judgements based on evidence found and autopsy results - but may never know the real truth.

The media, especially newspapers, have a tendancy to make things up as they go along - to make the story *spicier*, *sicker*, *more exciting* - when really some guy went totally nuts (whether it was mental health, physical health or emotional wellbeing in general that went into overdrive) and killed his family and then himself - if he did do it.

Innocent until proven guilty.

And as for calling someone a coward when they commit suicide after apparently killing wife and son - we dont *KNOW* how he felt - HOW?? How do we *KNOW* what was going through his mind? We dont. The torment must have been unbelievable to have resorted to such a terrible and tragic crime.

Please stop surmising until you are aware of the truth - then make your judgements.

Hope they all rest in peace - ALL of them! And bless the families that are still alive and have to go through the pain of grief, loss and shock.

Wow! I'm just hearing about this. It's pretty messed up. Reminds me of when Phil Hartman got shot and killed by his wife who then shot herself. That was pretty out of the blue too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html


Seems like Benoit's wife was repoted dead to wikipedia 13 hours before police found the body!? Weird...

"To make the situation even more chilling the IP address was traced to Stamford, Connecticut, which is of course, is where the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment is located. We should note that anything that is posted on Wikipedia records a users IP address, time, and what exactly was written on the web site, so this wouldn't have been a case of a hoax."

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Benoit bulked up a TON in years since WCW to where he was at last week. I would not be surprised 1 bit if he took steroids at some point in his career possibly right up until the end (although he passed the WWE drug test in April 07),




does the WWE test to make sure you are taking steroids or that you aren't and do they fine you if you aren't? you get my point.

[QUOTE=swiss tony;613099]The WWE is entertainment.Chances are they supply the steroids!:eek:

[QUOTE=paws the great;613110]lol!:D.their agents probably negotiate them into their contracts.

Yeah, I heard about that. It's very interesting, but apparently WWE HQ was the first thing the cops looked in to & it wasn't from there. It still could have been from a WWE employee using their laptop anywhere in the world though, maybe even Chris Benoit himself. If it wasn't Benoit that did it (Which I doubt he did. I'm sure editing his wikipedia entry was just about the last thing on his mind while in the midst of killing his family.), then he told someone about it and that person never told the cops. It'll be REALLY interesting to see where that leads because it's like a whole new layer to this already baffling case.

A calculated double homicide that takes place over the course of an entire weekend is not rage. Insanity? Maybe. Psychopathic? Sure. But not rage.

Why do you keep acting like he may not have done it? He did it. He was in the house sending text messages from his & her phones to co-workers AFTER she was dead. The only questions left are why he did and what caused him to snap.

And as for innocent until proven guilty... That really only works for the living. He's dead so he'll never stand trial. All we have to go on are the facts & what the cops say about it & both, the facts & the cops, are saying he did it.

Suicide is a cowardly act. Period. It doesn't matter what circumstances lead to it, in my eyes, it's still a coward's way out of dealing with the consequences of one's actions.

Bwind, the reason some people are still doubting Beniot's involvement is because recently comments about Nancy's ex husband Kevin Sullivan who had a close relationship with Sherri Martel who showed up dead two weeks ago. Two deaths of two women who had relationships with Sullivan brought out some conspiracy theorists.

Firstly, I didnt mention the word rage once.

Secondly, regardless if the man is dead or not - he either killed his family or he didnt. Just because he is now dead, doesnt mean he can be blamed for something he didnt necessarily do. It appears he did do it, but as none of us really *know* anything at the moment - only snippets of news on tv and in the papers, how can we make defined judgements?

Thirdly, it is YOUR opinion that suicide is a cowardly act. It is also your prerogative to believe he committed suicide because of the purported crime - but how do you KNOW that? You cant - it is an assumption.

Lastly, you have YOUR opinions (quote, "in my eyes" unquote), I have MINE - we should respect both whether we agree or not.

I'm not one of the c. theorists on this story. Anything else, maybe, but not this. I just had an opinion, 'tis all! :p

Some guy "came forward" and said that it was a coincidence, it all stinks if you ask me. He lives in Stamford but isn't part of the WWE... that also was just coincidence. Ah well, we'll never know why Chris did it or if anybody else had a hand in it (even as far as pushing him to it) IMO. He was a great entertainer, I'll miss his work, and I wish he hadn't lost his mind.

Maybe it was because of Eddie, there was a video from the tribute they aired for Eddie, Chris talked about how Eddie was the only guy he could pour his heart out to and said that Eddie would always "talk him out of it" though he didn't specify what "it" was. Maybe it was because he didn't have his best friend around to help him.

I sound like a 12 year old, don't I?

Sorry, I thought you were saying "fit of madness" in place of roid rage.

Ugh, the police investigating the crime have come right out and said that he killed them. It's as close to a fact as it'll ever be.

No shit it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? Anyone that commits suicide is afraid to face something in their life. They are SO afraid (or unwilling) to deal with something that they take the easy route of not having to deal with it at all ever. That's a cowardly act in my book.

What is it with you? No, I didn't go in his house & look for myself to see that he hung himself, but I did watch the police that went in his house to see for themselves give a press conference and tell me that's what he did.

Did you actually SEE his body? Maybe he's not even really dead! We are all just assuming that too right? Since none of us have seen the body? :rolleyes:

I wrote "in my eyes" explicitly to illustrate that it was my opinion. I know that I have my opinion & I know that you have yours. Yours is just a little bit hard for me to digest because it's like you are just playing devil's advocate by refuting the few bits of commonly-accepted-as-true information that there are in this puzzling case.

most suicides are cause the individual has weighed it up and determined that the pain of death couldn't be as bad as the pain of life. how cowardly he was is irrelevant. it's how evil and selfish he was that's the big issue. killing his handicapped child? despicable.

Saying it was roid rage is an assumption.

With it being YOUR opinion, I simply highlighted that I had an opinion too but got negated for it. That makes you a bigot.

What the shit you being so sarcastic for? Cos I have an opinion too? Did I get riled up with you because of your opinion? NO, I did not.

Again, your opinion about suicide is your opinion and I have mine on it - our opinions differ - so again, cut the bigotry, yeah?

If you wish to have a one-sided debate on it, I am sure there is a mirror in your home!

No, you sound like an empathetic person to me - and that's a good thing :)

Yes, I agree.

Despicable, terrible, tragic.

And saying it was a fit of madness is not an assumption?

The cops investigating the crime and stating it as a fact leads me to believe it's more than just my opinion. You are refuting the only bits of information that are widely accepted as truth.

And look up the definition of the word bigot. Having an opinion & speaking your mind does not make someone a bigot.

The sarcasm was to point out your flawed logic. Obviously, you're still not getting it. None of us KNOW anything because none of us actually went in the house and saw for ourselves. The only way any of us know anything at all is from the what the cops have said about the case. So like I said... How do any of us even know he's dead? None of us have actually seen his body yet so by ackowledging he is dead, you are obviously taking the police & media's word to a certain extent.

And if your giant, bold "IN MY EYES' comment wasn't riled up, then I guess you need to work on your internet communication skills because that's most certainly how it came across.

So you can have your opinion, but since mine is different, I am a bigot? haha. :rolleyes: Again, look up the definition of the word bigot before throwing it around so loosely. I call them as I see them and having known personally a half dozen people that have killed themselves, I can have an opinion on the subject. And if it differs from yours, guess what? That still doesn't mean I'm a bigot.

It should just go without saying that everything ANY of us write on here is our opinion. There should not be a need to put a disclaimer on each sentence we state in order to prevent someone from getting their panties in a bunch.

I wish to have an intelligent debate, so I guess I'll just look elsewhere. Since you seem prone to refuting the only bits of info that are known about the case and calling me names like a teenager because my opinion differs from your own, it's obvious I won't find it here with you. :rolleyes:

Exactly. In that case you mentioned, the person is afraid or unwilling to face the 'pain of life' so they choose not to. So afraid or unwilling that they do not take into consideration the efect their actions will have on their family, friends and loved ones. To me that's just about the cowardly thing a person can do.

Glad you got it off ya chest, whatever it was.

Hostile responses are something I do not consider as a healthy debate. And they were hostile because you negated my opinions.

You are welcome to your self-righteous attitude..... and I thank you for your patience and tolerance!!! <--- hey, I can do sarcasm too - yeeehaaaaaaaa!

What thread did you pull that quote out of?

^-------Hey, I can do quote fabrications too! - yeeeahhhaaaa!

Hostile responses? Show me a hostile response I made to you in this thread. You are the one calling names like you're in high school, not me. And how can I negate your opinion? Did I change your mind or something? No, you still have your opinions, they are just different than mine and different than what the police investigating the crime's are.

Congratulations on your new skill learned. But actually, I have been quite patient and tolerant. If you'd like to see me impatient & intolerant, just let me know and it can be arranged.

this thread sucks.

It's a poo-nuts thread!

Yes, I agree totally.

I APOLOGISE TO BWIND22 - SORRY FOR BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT.

:p


Why?

Then why did you reply to it?